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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 6, 2010 3:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: TDIH 1971

Fantastic barn-burner 39 years ago today at the Hollywood Palladium ... Pig's Too Hot to Handle is a full-throttle gritty blues jam, the Morning Dew is wonderful, they rock it out on Mr. Charlie and Cumberland, there's a raw soulful Brokedown and a haunting, bluesy TOO that breaks into an intense, driving Me and My Uncle (of all things) that sounds like they really MEAN it, and then back to TOO ... it's a scorching show that just doesn't quit.

Here's a question for the truly knowledgeable, though: I noticed that some of the set lists include songs that aren't available on the IA. What's the story with that? I don't have that RT; are they on that? Are they NRPS? Anyone know?

I can't say if this is the best source, but here's a good one (and downloadable! From 1971!):

http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-08-06.aud.bertrando.yerys.129.sbeok.shnf

Another question, for techies: Weirdly enough, my iPod version of this show (and another show, too) has somehow become alphabetized. Any smart tips on why it happened, or how to fix that? To add to the weirdness, they're misordered but NOT alphabetized in the iTunes album listing, but in the right order in my main music file on my laptop. Cue Twilight Zone theme ...

Edit: OK, while all of you in the Western Hemisphere were sleeping, I seem to have gotten the iPod reordered, knock on wood (there's a place called Info where you can order the tracks manually) ... but why the hey would that have happened?!?




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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Aug 6, 2010 11:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1971

AR , what an excellent choice .

I found this source more to my liking . The notes at the end are worth a read .

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1971-08-06.aud.kaslow.smith.94261.flac16

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Poster: spring mountain high Date: Aug 6, 2010 6:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1971

this was one of my first tapes and i played it over and over until it was damn near worn out...love it

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Aug 6, 2010 9:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1971

Here's the best source (IMO):
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1971-08-06.fob-SonyECM22p.miller.88816.sbeok.flac16

I'm pretty sure El Paso is the only song missing from this one. I've got the soundboard of this show, which is unavailable now because it was butchered and pieces of it were released in at least two different places (one RT bonus disc, one DP). Truly a crime. The El Paso is missing, I suppose, simply because whoever was taping the show turned off the recorder at this point, maybe to take a piss or grab a soda or something. Strange how it's exactly all of El Paso that's missing, though. It's on the soundboard.

The Hard to Handle from this date is certainly the best, but this one rivals it:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-08-14.sbd.ladner.21268.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Aug 6, 2010 9:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1971

I went back and forth on those two sources , both are superior .
Kaslow / Smith is less ' remastered ' .
Hey MC , it hasn't felt like I said hello in a bit . Hope things are well with you .

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Aug 31, 2010 6:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1971

stuff is good, got a summer job ending in two weeks and i'm looking forward to getting back to school (senior year!). always a weird transition though; there will be a certain amount of post-summer grieving to be done.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Aug 6, 2010 11:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1971

I remember a friend in school who said that summer is over on August 19. Before the 19th you can still imagine there is a good portion of summer left, after the 19th you can't kid yourself, it's winding down. Silly but it stuck with me.
Anyway you've got a coupla weeks :)

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Aug 6, 2010 11:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1971

I can relate... as a child I hated my birthday coming around last week of August. It always meant back to school the next week. Now, with only 2-3 weeks of freedom all year, it's almost irrelevant.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Aug 6, 2010 12:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1971

I'm an August baby too, and I always felt *so* sorry for kids who had to go to school on their birthday. Little did I realize how completely and pathetically irrelevant this would be for the remaining decades of my life.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 7, 2010 9:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1971

Well, if you stay in school your entire life, it actually gets worse since everyone ends up knowing about it, springing surprises on you when you'd just as soon let it be...or at least that's my experience (which of course, beats having a real job in the real world without summer vacation...the lack of pay sucks at times though...drat).

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Aug 7, 2010 10:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1971

are you a professor WT? I didn't realize. i've bonded with 2 teachers at my school who have an affinity for the dead. couldn't convince either of them to see furthur with me, though.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 7, 2010 11:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1971

Yep, but don't tell ANYONE! The last thing I need is for my students to find out I actually spend all my time here (well, a little less now that I am retired) being supercilious (or am I really just a superdouche for my constant use of that word? You decide...). The last thing I need is for the hordes to know anything more about my eccentric personal life.

Imagine if they found out my best friends are Rob the Word Smith, a guy named Arbuthnot that gives me credenzas, and an Elbow? I'd never live it down.

However, it does allow me to get paid (a little bit) for being an "inte-lexual".

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Aug 8, 2010 2:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1971

Well a wordsmith sounds intellectual and i believe Arbuthnot was a poet so keeping company with those two would seem acceptable for a professor. However rubbing elbows with an Elbow probably won't do your reputation any good. Then again it was students of mine (graduate) that took to calling me by my "rap" name "LBo" that is the origin of my name here. Word.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Aug 7, 2010 12:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1971

considering I don't know your real name or the place you work, I wouldn't worry about it if i were you.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 7, 2010 2:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1971

Cool; I'll cross you off the list...

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Aug 6, 2010 11:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1971

i had an interesting observation once, maybe two years ago. When I think of the "year" I think of it visually - I have a picture of it in my head as a long line segmented into 12 months, with september at the left end and august at the right. I asked my dad and he had a similar visualization of it, only for him it actually started in january and ended in december. My sister, who's 26, still think about it the way i do. i wonder how long i'll have to be out of school to start envisioning the year the correct way?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Aug 6, 2010 12:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1971

yes that's interesting, I definitely picture it starting in January.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Aug 6, 2010 12:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1971

Hardly ever think of the year that way, just as cycles... for me, it's just a river carrying me down. roll, roll, roll.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Aug 6, 2010 1:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1971

which reminds, the 8/6/71 rendition of brokedown palace was the first one that truly endeared me to the song. somehow it's magic doesn't really come across on american beauty... perhaps it's gotta be performed live to have the honesty that the lyrics call for.

i remember after hearing the applause after this one on the aud: "god damn! they brought the f**king HOUSE down!!!"

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 7, 2010 1:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1971

I never really got into American Beauty -- or Workingman's Dead, either. If that's all I'd heard, I'm sure I wouldn't have "gotten it" about the Dead at all. In retrospect, of course, those are amazing collections of songs; but I can see why people who are only exposed to the studio versions -- particularly now, so many years later -- don't see what's so exciting about the band.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 7, 2010 5:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1971

Yikes! My first era appropraite post in months to say "strike this post from the record!" (har, har...but seriously).

I have had the exact opposite experience. EG, the two brothers I've told everyone about, that loved CREAM so much more than the DEAD live and all? All their friends....their distant cousins? Well, you get the idea; they actually talked about how the DEAD had finally gotten some where, finally arrived, finally produced something worth buying and listening to: WDEAD, followed later that yr by Am Beauty...they said they still wouldn't go see them ever again, but they loved what they had turned into...

In my experience, the ONLY way to win over a person, when I was practicing of course, was to play something from those two albums...I'd never start with live material...

Just saying, kid. And kiddo. And the sherpas...

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Aug 7, 2010 7:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1971

Hi WT , how are you doin' ?
I must confess that American Beauty , is a beauty , but she never was quite my type . Operator always gets to me . Box & Attics the same . But not in my first two favs .
Workingmans is my fav , by far , Anthem coming in second ( for studio albums , I'm not sure where that puts Skullfuck b/c of it's enhancements ).
The best GD converter , cd wise , for me has been Reckoning . A few crazies have chosen the thrill ride part of 6 - 24 - 70 ( " this acoustic crap is too slow , man " ) , but they were also enhanced at the time if memory servers me correctly .
Don't you love breaking out a '68 , '69 when you hear the ' too slow ' line ?
Hope everything is copacetic in Tell land .

edit - I almost forgot - WT , a GD post !

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 7, 2010 8:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1971

Hanging in there, hanging in there...finally rained a bit out here, which we dearly needed.

Well, my observation was they never viewed the live material as "polished" enough, and that the vocals, of course not our boys strong suit, made it that much worse...and that "fast, rock and roll!" request (or say, "high energy") could be easily met with the first album.

And, then of course, if the strength of the lyrics (ie, is it really significant stuff, does it really say something to you) couldn't be topped, IMHO, and those that I tried to convert, by the two from 1970.

So, putting that all together, I really found that you need go no further than 67-70, studio albums, to see if the party in question was going to succumb to your "you HAVE to love this band as I do...or at least grasp why I do" pitch...

I would've thought anything past 75 studio or live, would have been way down the list for trying to win someone over, but maybe I don't give the youngsters of today enough credit for discerning something of value (but of course, it is just my bias coming thru since I see much less value in that material...besides, hard to do if you don't have it on hand, eh?).

To finally answer your question, if my first attempt "took" (ie, I had them interested), then by all means I moved quickly to nothing but live shows, esp DPs and now RTs material...but to be honest, most would respond with "ahem...you can stop now...this is the same stuff, with some jams thrown in, that isn't as good as what you started me on" and that would be the end of it.

Seriously--I may have been very bad at it, but of roughly 30-40 people I've done this with over the past 35 yrs in a sustained fashion, I'd say they told me to stop (!) after one or two live shows, and said they only really cont'd listening to the early studio "hits" or complete albums I'd sent...Now, it's the complete opposite of that for anyone that already liked the DEAD. They just wanted the live stuff, and were very impressed with the early era gems I'd send along.

But I was working from the assumption that the person in question was a complete novice.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Aug 7, 2010 9:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1971

We are a self selected group , not only here , but in general. We all really , really like licorice . We are a tiny tribe that's turned on to the music , and all that flows form that raging river . It even breaks down into language patterns and syntax .
You have Reckoning . Right ?


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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 7, 2010 11:39am
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Nope; stopped picking em up after GotoHeaven and HeavenHtFool...hmmm, just realized the similarity there in the titles...never did before...anyhow, was that 80? 79? can't recall...the next were the live ones from 80, right? NY & SF...did have some bootleg tapes of those shows, but I "quit" in 82, and thus, don't have anything after the white album with the cheesey white suits and all...you know, the one with Althea, speak of the Devil...at least I think I am right about that...they are all stored away now as we discussed a few days ago.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Aug 6, 2010 5:09am
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And if you haven't had enough then, 8/5 is more of the same.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Aug 6, 2010 5:12am
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Hope your move went ok, Althea - I'm in awe that you've accomplished all that and are back online. It's weird, isn't it, to go far far away and find one's online friends are still exactly where you left them?

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 6, 2010 6:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1971

What I find amazing is that we've got eight hours without electricity every day, but the internet doesn't go down. No electricity, just internet. Go figure. It's a strange combination of things over here!

BTW it was pretty cool to listen to this show sitting on our balcony, watching kids fly kites, as a rainbow came up over the Himalayas ...

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Aug 6, 2010 6:50am
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That is spooky (Internet but no electricity). Glad to hear you're well settled.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 6, 2010 6:56pm
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It's really more a matter of "necessity is the mother of invention." People have what's called an inverter, which is kind of like a big car battery. It charges when electricity is up, and then powers some basics when it's down: low-wattage lights, basically, but also internet. The inverter's charge can run out, though, if you're not frugal ... hence, a lesson for the kiddo -- with real-life consequences -- on why you always turn out lights!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 6, 2010 7:06pm
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I hope you have time to talk to the animals...

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 6, 2010 8:02pm
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Definitely. We've already talked to monkeys and lots of stray dogs.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 7, 2010 5:14am
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Cool; how high are you (er...what's your elevation)? There are many exciting prospects, depending on that one all encompassing factor...

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 7, 2010 8:28am
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The altitude is about the same as Denver. Of course, there are much higher mountains visible -- we plan to go both up (yaks) and down (tigers). Hereabouts it's urban, but there are cows in the road, rooster and hens next door, monkeys at the various temples, and stray dogs everywhere. We're definitely not in Kansas anymore ...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 7, 2010 8:55am
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Outstanding! If you don't mind my asking, how long are you there for? You should be able to do some serious "ecotourist" stuff vis-a-vis flora and fauna since you are not above 10,000'...assuming you have the time and inclination. One of my brothers did a great deal of climbing thereabouts in the late 60s, early 70s, but was primarily to the west of you (mtns wise). Do know some of the conservation biologists that have worked in northern India and Nepal over the yrs, and there are defn some very cool critters about.

Have fun!

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 7, 2010 6:56pm
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We'll be here at least two years. It's actually pretty familiar territory to me; I lived here for several years in the '90s (learned about JG's death when I opened the Kathmandu Post that morning), speak the language, etc. Once we get the house in order and our son gets to feeling well-situated, we plan to do a lot of traveling. Animal-wise, my son is planning to track some monkey groups at the temples here, Meerkat Manor-style, as a homeschool project ... so yeah, it should be fun and fascinating here!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 7, 2010 8:42pm
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Whoa! Outstanding! I envy you...be safe though.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Aug 6, 2010 5:44am
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Gotta love it when St Stephen is so good you got to go back and listen again and again . . . .

An AUD even Cliff can love!

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Aug 6, 2010 5:49am
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Holy cow, I'd forgotten how rockin' this show is. Mister Charlie told me so!!!

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Aug 6, 2010 12:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1971

here's a great discussion of this show on noah weiner's blog:

http://www.deadlistening.com/2008/07/1971-august-6-hollywood-palladium.html

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